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Overreaching. what do you say to those people? >> so once again, it boils down to civil service laws that have been in the state 54 years before collective bargaining was in the state of wisconsin in 1959. it goes back to 1905 in wisconsin history, so, the bottom line is something needs to be done and the unions have overreached when it comes to spending money and the governor is sincere in trying to balance the budget in the state of wisconsin. the something has to give and i'm willing to sacrifice with the money i get and i'm willing to allow there to be a down side in the collective bargain...

Willing to give a little bit in that regard, but they're not willing to give when it comes to giving up their collective bargaining rights. is it fair, since you are not part of the union, to really take a-- >> excuse me to take a what. >> dave: you're not part of the union, correct. so you wouldn't have to give up anything? >> well, the fact of the matter is, ultimately, the civil service laws in the state of wisconsin will apply to protect my rights so that's what i'm putting my faith in. >> molly: dr. jacobs, you've been a teacher for 20 years and you teach u.s. history. does that offer you...