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Quote, show no mercy to his own people in benghazi. so he was threatening to kill, slaughter even his own people. again he said i will show them no mercy. so i think the president's doctrine is not an ideology, he's very pragmatic, so he's for, as he said in soich soich, he's for what works. without additional authorities, additional sanctions. so what the president did is his worked with susan rice, his ambassador up in new york to expand the authorities available to him and to the other members of the security council, so that we could now enforce the no-fly zone, but also push back gadhafi'...

The president? doing this and not those things? >> well, chris, i think you'll remember early last week gadhafi said that he was going to, quote, show no mercy to his own people in benghazi. so he was threatening to kill, slaughter even his own people. again he said i will show them no mercy. so i think the president's doctrine is not an ideology, he's very pragmatic, so he's for, as he said in soich soich, he's for what works. without additional authorities, additional sanctions. so what the president did is his worked with susan rice, his ambassador up in new york to expand the authorities a...

>> it's a shrinking empire. we are talking about the capital, and the area around the capital standing ae lone, apart from fighting in other towns as well. gadhafi is almost painted into a corner there. other cities and tons, these are localized movements. it's not as if there is an organized is army of opposition fighters who are pebeating back gadhafi but the domain is crumbling city by city. if gadhafi's statement, which you no doubt played back earlier shows his desperation, another rambling speech and outlandish claims about even al qaeda being responsible for the uprising, and the young ...

Defeated? there, there's very little water, no electricity. the conditions are visibly very difficult. they're relying on handouts from benghazi. yet all of these families who we met are refusing to leave for one simple reason and that is because every single night when they go to sleep by their fires, they woke up believing the next morning that somehow the opposition will have driven back gadhafi's forces, and they will be able to go back home. the children are still laughing, the parents, adults huddled underneath their blankets. but they feel confident at the end of the day the opposition ...

What's the guiding principle of the president doing this and not those things? >> well, chris, i think you'll remember early last week gadhafi said that he was going to, quote, show no mercy to his own people in benghazi. so he was threatening to kill, slaughter even his own people. again he said i will show them no mercy. so i think the president's doctrine is not an ideology, he's very pragmatic, so he's for, as he said in soich soich, he's for what works. without additional authorities, additional sanctions. so what the president did is his worked with susan rice, his ambassador up in new y...