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He's battled the epa in court, while he was serving as attorney general. it's just unclear as to why he would have so many fumbles and distract from his mission. because in a way, the epa like the department of interior is one of the most effective players in trump's strategy to roll back the administrative state. so, you know, again, i think it is sort of a distraction. and i think that to some extent, the president is getting a lot of pressure from conservatives and from dark money groups to keep pruitt just where he is. because, in fact, he's been so effective in rolling back rules, but he ...

Refuses to do, and investing in those things we need to grow this economy. we have a very specific agenda moving forward. on the other hand, what you hear from governor romney are a lot of chapter heads with no chapters and a plan to spend $7 trillion more on tax cuts and more money for the pentagon that they're not even asking for with no plan to pay for it. so if there's anyone who's running without a real plan here it's governor romney. >> let me ask you -- >> and to the extent he has one, david, it's going back to the same policies we had under the last administration. tax cuts for the wea...

Refuses to do, and investing in those things we need to grow this economy. we have a very specific agenda moving forward. on the other hand, what you hear from governor romney are a lot of chapter heads with no chapters and a plan to spend $7 trillion more on tax cuts and more money for the pentagon that they're not even asking for with no plan to pay for it. so if there's anyone who's running without a real plan here it's governor romney. >> let me ask you -- >> and to the extent he has one, david, it's going back to the same policies we had under the last administration. tax cuts for the wea...

Same policies we had under the last administration. tax cuts for the wealthy, rolling back rules on wall street, and hoping that somehow if the folks at the top do well that the rest of the country will do well. we tried it. it doesn't work. we can't go back to that. >> finally, the state of the race at this point. first, we're beyond the debate expectations nonsense. what are the stakes, though, in this final debate of the serious conversation about differences about foreign policy? preview that for me. >> well, i think it's going to be an important debate. i don't think any one event is deci...

Like this? >> it's hard to understand. this is a guy who was in the state legislature in oklahoma, served as attorney general for six years in oklahoma. he's a very smart person. he knows the environmental regulations quite well. he's battled the epa in court, while he was serving as attorney general. it's just unclear as to why he would have so many fumbles and distract from his mission. because in a way, the epa like the department of interior is one of the most effective players in trump's strategy to roll back the administrative state. so, you know, again, i think it is sort of a distracti...