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The idea that, indeed, people are sick and tired of the dysfunction in washington and are willing to turn to a successful republican outsider. paul: so, kyle, do you think that -- you mentioned the florida record that he is pointing to the as did kim and dan, but what are some of his potential vulnerabilities as a candidate that you might -- at an early stage -- talk about? >> well, there's reports that he's not all that likable, he's not a back slapper and a glad hander, and so if you're picking a candidate to have a beer summit with, he may not be your guy. another is examples of places wher...

Ron desantis. if you are mike pompeo, mike pence, if you are donald j. trump, what did you see on that stage from ron desantis? what are you noticing about a candidate, maybe strengths and maybe vulnerabilities? >> strengths are, desantis continues to show persistently good instincts. he has good instincts when to pull off a line. what issues to go on in. dropped a good line on chris last night about retiring an old donkey. pretty good. desantis is not known as a back slapper or jovial guy but he is incisive and has instinct knowing when to go in for the kill. if i treated it like an nfl game ...

There aren't many senators like him serving today. but he is a soup are, super guy. and i think the most of him as does everybody else. we served together. served with orrin for 36 years. >> wow. >> he was conservative. went a back slapper, not a big jokester. but he was very, very honest and decent and really good to work with and wanted to do what's right. >> yeah, you know, he was the longest serving republican senator. in history which is incredible. as melanie just reported he passed more legislation into law than any other senator. and he was able to work with politicians on the other si...

Only lasted five minutes. that was harry. as has been observed, harry was not a schmoozer or a back slapper. he did not regail you with long drawn out stories and he did not appreciate long, drawn out stories. despite the years he spent in congress, despite all the power he wielded, his reputation as being the consummate washington insider, what i came to realize was that harry always remained something of an outsider in washington. which makes sense, given the remarkable path to the senate that he had taken, a path that was at least as unlikely if not more unlikely than mine.

That was harry. as has been observed, harry was not a schmoozer or a back slapper. he did not regale you with long, drawnout stories, and he did not appreciate long, drawnout stories. despite the years he'd spent in congress, despite all the power he wielded, his reputation as being the consummate washington insider, what i came to realize was that harry always remained something of an outsider in washington. which makes sense. given the remarkable path to the senate that he had taken. a path that was at least as unlikely if not more unlikely