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Investigator and ceo of night line security. great to see you, vinnie. what do we make of then tire mess and this wrinkle in the story. >> i'm not really sure what their strategy with saying the e-mail service has been canceled. i think the bigger question at this point is where are the off-site back-ups. even with canceling a certain e-mail service they still have retention requirements which is to say that the data has to go somewhere. the irs e-mails can't just disappear completely. >> even though they no longer -- a lot of people will say that's pretty good timing and coincidental they can...

Feasible? joining me now, morgan wright, a cyber security analyst. let me pose that question to you. in the year of 2014 when we all live in the world of technology, does that excuse even cut it? >> look, jimmy hoffa is hard to find, not lois lerner's e-mails. no, it doesn't cut it. in fact there are three or four ways can you recover this information. the fact they said all of that information was contained on her laptop doesn't pass the sniff test. not with the millions of dollars that the government has spent building these back-up systems and not with the millions of dollars i know the irs...

Hannah. >> yeah. big kahunas. >> so you also have, i understand, your 5-year-old sister is part of this project. >> uh-huh. >> she was going to be on with us today but she decided at the last minute her rate was too high so we couldn't afford to put her on television. what job did you give her? >> i gave her the cash register. >> entry level position. >> yes. >> entry level position. that's probably why she's not sitting next to you right now. >> yes. >> these are all $1. how many did you bring in? >> one, two, two, four, six, seven, and then i have two back-ups just because one broke. >> one ...

Your information has been used to open up accounts. use some type of on-line monitoring service. make copies of your statement. save something. if you're worried, you got a lot of money, take a screen shot to prove you had the money in there. >> steve: that's such a good point because i was thinking, if the chinese took down city bank and you had $89,000 in it on tuesday, and suddenly you can't log on to them and they've been hacked and the best way to forget yourself is to be able to prove how much money you had on tuesday morning, right? >> yeah. you're going to hope they've also got back up...

How do you think that shakes snout who has the claim to be the sort of successor candidate going forward? >> well, the nice thing is they both do. you have an heir and a spare. you have a two good back-ups. and let's take thomas jefferson, because the presidents who have done this in the past are ronald reagan, franklin roosevelt, abe lincoln and thomas jefferson. thomas jefferson hands off power to his secretary of state james madison. so, both secretaries of state historically and vice presidents have been plausible successors. >> you know, in your advice to the president to make sure his se...