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They're the ones in the way of opening up again and getting back to normal. >> josh, you've been covering the administration's vaccine rollout from the beginning. this is the president's most sweeping plan. where's the -- what's your assessment of whether this will work? what shortcomings are there? what more can they do? >> well, there are a couple of areas i'll talk about in a moment where they're criticized for not doing more. more broadly, these mandates have driven back vaccination. we've got from hitting home runs to hitting singles, taking whatever progress we can get. in some ways you ...

Diseases specialist, epidemiologist, but there are people that look at the house in the broadest sense. that obviously includes things like education, and a social activity generally. so vaccination has the potential to have an impact on those as well, and so what the ministers across the four nations have asked is that the chief medical officers of the four nations work together with experts who can look at that and take a broader view of the potential benefits and harms of vaccination to the 12 to 15—year—olds vaccination to the 12 to 15-year-olds_ vaccination to the 12 to 15-year-old va...