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Defense are a backdoor thing. >> they have been in that argument. from the perspective that we still have 8% unemployment, what's so perverse is there is a broad consensus that we need a short-term counter cyclical policy and the deficit problems are genuinely mid-to long-term. what happened is the absolute reverse. nothing happened in any of these deals to do anything about the mid-to long-term. the affordable care act has been about short-term construction. austerity and none of the stuff that the. >> pete:ersons of the world do. it's a perverse out come. >> not only austerity, but we have a...

We have all sorts of memos in the works. >> big ideas. >> surprising that communications secretary gibbs would say we don't know about it. >> first of all, big ideas come from the top. that's the way everything works at companies, ok? that's point number one. point number two. this is shocking to me that the u.s. government or at least the administration or the department of homeland security would decide to totally go against potentially the will of the people and the way in which government works to do some sort of backdoor thing for votes. listen to what janet napolitano said about it. >> n...