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Of those tough issues where both sides have to sort of like suspend for about two hours. let the other side make their move. it's almost like one of those kidnappings where you have to deliver the kid and the money. both sides have to give. is it going to happen after the election? >> i would hope to see it happen before the election. the system's broken. there's a lot of people out there, immigrants that are good hard-working people that are suffering right now. american workers are getting hurt because they're using them to drive down wages. >> richard, if we have no more illegal immigration...

Gathering a secret information and reporting back to khrushchev. it was crazy. that's right. we have no secrets here. but the russian spies tried to blend in. they were acting like americans. .as a matter of fact, for two weeks they were pretending they loved soccer. >> oh, that's tough. welcome back to "hardball." the news that russian spies were here in the united states blending into suburbia sounds like a throwback to the cold war but it's for real. two guests who served in the cia, tyler drumheller, former chief of operations for the cia in europe. jack rice is a former cia officer. let's...

We're in favor of that. every single member of the union movement, every single union is in favor of the plan that i just gave you. we think that the system's broken and must be fixed. >> let's take a look at the president. he took on republicans today saying that immigration form must be a bipartisan effort. i agree because you can always pander to this issue, the other side. let's listen. >> i'm ready to move forward. the majority of democrats are ready to move forward. and i believe the majority of americans are ready to move forward. but the fact is without but the bipartisan support, as w...

But i believe we can put politics aside and finally have an immigration system that's accountable. i believe we can appeal not to people's fears, but to their hopes. to higher highest dales because that's who we are as americans. >> that was president obama today making his appeal for immigration reform at american university. a great school. joining us right now with more on the politics of reform, the president of the afl-cio, the top labor guy in the country. also a friend of mine. you're a real labor guy. here's a question have i about illegal immigration. it's sloppy. nobody coming in wit...

Suspend for about two hours. let the other side make their move. it's almost like one of those kidnappings where you have to deliver the kid and the money. both sides have to give. is it going to happen after the election? >> i would hope to see it happen before the election. the system's broken. there's a lot of people out there, immigrants that are good hard-working people that are suffering right now. american workers are getting hurt because they're using them to drive down wages. >> richard, if we have no more illegal immigration, it's not going to close the border, still ten, 20 years fr...