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Lawyer. pressure it seems applied on the ukrainian president tying a visit with the u.s. president to this help in digging up dirt on joe biden here. i think it's important, and so does the gas lighting. until a week ago, all the attacks were on the whistleblower. those have quieted down. those are backing up what the whistle proceeder said. >> they would still like the out the whistleblower. because killing the messenger is what you can do when you can't fight on the substance and it's true, jim, the testimony day after day has continued to confirm the whistleblower's complaint and obviously ...

Why did the state department initially block him from testifying, number one, and now that that he's compelled by way of subpoena, what will committee members want to hear from ambassador sunland? >> well, when the state department blocked him, that was the first real step in what the white house has shown is going to be their clear strategy of just trying to defy any requests for documents, any requests for interviews of people who worked for the administration. and that was them really throwing the gauntlet down and challenging democrats on this impeachment process. he was, remember, on the ...

That it is the habit of the white house to absolutely put these kinds of things into a classified network where they can't be seen. we have at least one allegation from the whistle-blower that that happened with the ukraine call and possibly others. but i don't know if we can say right now that it was just routine to put these memos into that very secret system. >> shane harris, national security reporter at "the washington post" joining us on very short notice and near something that's backing up, which i realize is dangerous. you take care, shane. thank you for joining us. >> thanks, rachel,...

It is clear that very early on there was an awareness by the white house that information was leaking out and they wanted to tighten that up. it is not clear to me right now that it is the habit of the white house to absolutely put these kinds of things into a classified network where they can't be seen. we have at least one allegation from the whistle-blower that that happened with the ukraine call and possibly others. but i don't know if we can say right now that it was just routine to put these memos into that very secret system. >> shane harris, national security reporter at "the washingto...

That happened with the ukraine call and possibly others. but i don't know if we can say right now that it was just routine to put these memos into that very secret system. >> shane harris, national security reporter at "the washington post" joining us on very short notice and near something that's backing up, which i realize is dangerous. you take care, shane. thank you for joining us. >> thanks, rachel, bye-bye. >> remarkable reporting from "the washington post." president trump in that oval office meeting with two senior russian officials the day after he fired james comey according to "the ...