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Demand for natural gas. who is the biggest supplier of that in europe? it's russia. those things played out everywhere. we simply failed to appreciate that shifting your energy system to cleaner fuels is a scale project. if you don't have scale, you have a hobby. i like hobbies. i used to build model airplanes. i wouldn't try to deal with climate change as a hobby. so you need a long-term plan to do this properly and everyone is kind of done it in a very haphazard way. >> if you look at california, the state you're in, right, something similar seems to me to be happening there. shutting down n...

That hugely increased germany's demand for natural gas. who is the biggest supplier of that? it's russia. those things played out everywhere. we simply failed to appreciate that shifting your energy system to cleaner fuels is a scaled project. if you don't have scale, you have a hobby. i like hobbies. i used to build model airplanes. i wouldn't try to deal with climate change as a hobby so you need a long-term plan to do this properly and everyone is kind of done it in a very haphazard way. >> if you look at california, the state you're in, right, something similar seems to me to be happening ...