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Them. someone like tom, that part of the investigation is really the only part we can investigate at this point. until we have the airplane it s like trying to prove a murder when you don t have a body and don t have murder weapon. until we have the airplane and black boxes, i don t think we ll solve this one. kit, what about the transponder, is that still off at this time. can that go off on its own or does it have to be switched off? it took fail. there s a second one, a back-up, a flip of a switch to reengage if you wanted it. the fact multiple things went off at the same time leads me to either an electrical source or catastrophic event. multiple electrical sources we ve been talking about. backups on backups, they would have to go out all at once or someone would have to turn the transponder off. that would be the pilot or someone directing the pilot in ....