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>> as an academic i was pretty darn impressed. i just want to note one thing, which may explain part of our difference. the statutes today on bravery are written broadly just like they were back then. the meaning is subject to interpretation. they're written broadly because they don't want them to be too narrow. that was the case in the 18th century as they are today. but the idea that bad practices could be the definition of bribery, really? is that what you get from the contusion constitutional convection, bad practices? this is where i disagree. the other thing i just wanted to note is and ...

We cannot charge the president with obstruction of congress for refusing subpoenas as long as he has any fanciful claim until the courts reject those fanciful claims? >> i have to respectfully disagree, his refusal to comply with the subpoenas is an independent event apart from the courts. it is a direct assault on the legitimacy of this inquiry, which is crucial to the exercise of this power. >> professor karlan, i will give you an answer to respond to the same question. >> i wanted to respond to the first question about bribery, which although counsel for the minority read samuel johnson's d...

Argument to say well, the constitution is law, upon that we are in agreement. but the refers to a crime to say well, you cannot trump the constitution because it defines a crime, it does not define the crime. it references the crime. the crime examples were given during the constitutional convention, but those do not comport with bad practices. they comport with real bribery. but to say that the supreme court's decision on what constitutes bribery is somehow irrelevant is rather odd. what the constitution contains as a reference to a crime and then we have to decide if that crime has been comm...

Version. >> as an academic i was pretty darn impressed. i just want to note one thing, which may explain part of our difference. the statutes today on bravery are written broadly. just like they were back then. that was my point, the meaning of those words are subject to interpretation. the written broadly because they don't want them to being too narrow. that was the case in the 18th century as they are today. but the idea that bad practices could be the definition of bribery, really? is that what you get from the constitutional convention that bad practices, is that why mason wanted to put i...

The republicans, i'll be surprised if the republicans go after as hard some of the biases that the white house put out that they said were of the democratic professor. >> sandra: that was such a standout moment, it is 13 if we have it ready where he cautioned an impeachment over the president over citing the subpoena. here's jonathan turley a short time ago. >> if you impeach a president, if you make a high crime and misdemeanor out of going to the courts, it is an abuse of power. it's your abuse of power. you are doing precisely what you're criticizing the president for doing. we have a third...