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Bannon and the same source had been told bannon has been told he's not a target. so the july contact and direction is the critical thing. trump better be hoping it's not paul manafort and second-tier operative. >> mike, let me ask you to pick up on that july contact and just fill in some of the details. this was the contact between roger stone and his intermediaries to wikileaks. what's the significance in terms of what was going on in the 2016 presidential campaign? >> obviously, that's a critical time because it's coming out that there had been the hacks. but i think more significantly as yo...

This is mike pompeo, the sitting secretary of state, trump's viewed as very close ideologically to donald trump, who says this -- it is time to call out wikileaks for what it really is, a non-state hostile intelligence service often abetted by state actors like russia. so this seems to be the first sort of public example of some distance ideologically between the secretary of state and donald trump. here's how he describes wikileaks -- >> now this just came out, this just came out. wikileaks -- i love wikileaks! this wikileak stuff is unbelievable. it tells you the iinner heart. you got to rea...

Conspiracy, is that an accurate read? >> i think that's exactly right. this is another one of the building blocks that mueller has been carry laying all along, that gru hacking indictment that charges 13 russian operatives of hacking, had a little bit of room to run in it. it identified clearly that there were americans that they were coordinating with but didn't tell us who those people were. now we know that one of those people was roger stone, who was talking with wikileaks. we'll have to wait for the next indictment, the next part of the narrative to see if it goes any further. again, muel...

The trump campaign, writing, quote, spoke to my friend in london last night, the payload is still coming. here it is four days later on october 7th, literally hours after the release of "the access hollywood" tape, wikileaks began dumping the documents it stole from john podesta. an unidentified person close to steve ban non texted stone, wel done. matt miller? >> it all seems like a coincidence to me. >> there are no coincidences. >> of course not. >> i believe that clip you paid of trump in the campaign is the most damaging piece of evidence. if we had him quietly sending this through an int...

>> trump was a tactical player. he pr'd a person, a journalist, if you remember that. how bad was this for the president? it was so bad that all he wanted to do was avoid the cave on the shutdown, except if he could wag the dog and change the narrative. so it had to be pretty bad for him to avoid the cave and actually go ahead and cave on that. so he wags the dog, tries to change the story by doing this deal on the hill. i think the big picture -- >> and he gets nothing. gives away everything. >> but i think the big picture here is what this indictment really flushes out is the russians were r...