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Excuse for the khashoggi murder and the impact that had. the president lies about things big and small. sometimes those big things are things that are both criminal, but they are also immoral. >> what do you think the damage is around the world to having a president who is a compulsive liar? >> no one can believe the president of the united states. no one can believe the country. no one believes anyone around him. so you see countries, other governments devising these elaborate back-channel methods to determine what is really going on, what the government plans. you force members of cabinet to...

President who is a compulsive liar. >> no one can believe the president of the united states. no one can believe the country. no one believes anyone around him. so you see countries, other governments devising these elaborate back-channel methods to determine what is really going on, what the government plans. you force members of cabinet to run sort of their own policy or communication strategy to try to get facts in truth to people. they need to get facts and truth to. it's corrosive to the electorate and corrosive to his own party and to relationships around the world. >> it's so scary. w...