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Government employees shouldn't be making more money and having five times better benefits and pensions and health care programs and all the rest of us. people agree with that. people agree with the fact that when it comes to balancing budgets, asking government employees to pay just a fraction of what the rest of us have to pay in wisconsin and the rest of the country, is reasonable. i think it matters a lot how the question is asked. >>neil: you are right about that. both sides on the polls, will ask it to get the desired response. if republicans are going to see this issue potentially boomer...

Vermont requires a balanced budget. he's right. there's a joke about -- there's a ceo billionaire sitting at the table along with the union party guy and a tea party guy and there's 12 cookies. the ceo eats 11 of the cookies and says to the tea party guy, look out, that union guy wants half of your cookie. i think that's what's going on here. the republican governors are sucking up to their billionaire donors. >> come on, do you really think -- ok. >> i genuinely do. >> martha, i'll let you respond to that. >> no, absolutely not. what we've got in georgia, for example, we've got a right to wor...

But that doesn't prevent some democrats in the senate that i talked to, including some of the leadership from being wary of a long debate in the senate about taxes. because the fact is, as a basic principle, most americans love the idea of having their taxes cut. they like that a whole lot more than they like as people to focus on the hard reality of debt and the deficit. that's a plain fact. the democrats have a history on the spending side that rhetorically, at least, they feel they need to defend. so harry reid, the democratic leader, wants to have a short and sharp debate that will stay fo...

Principle, most americans love the idea of having their taxes cut. they like that a whole lot more than they like as people to focus on the hard reality of debt and the deficit. that's a plain fact. the democrats have a history on the spending side that rhetorically, at least, they feel they need to defend. so harry reid, the democratic leader, wants to have a short and sharp debate that will stay focused on that issue. but he's afraid of having weeks on end on the senate floor, because it could get out of hand and put the democrats back on the defensive. >> what was mike pence doing admitting...

Receptive for ideas and principles that work. he is a leader on education reform, on balancing budgets, on fiscal conservativism in his state. he has a big record. and the notion, these rules, that whatever your name is you don't stand as an individual are not going to play in 2012. i can't think of anybody with a better record or a deeper thinker than jeb bush. >> wolf, we also saw in 2008 where senator hillary clinton had to grapple with the legacy and the policies of her husband, president bill clinton. so we can't deny the reality that that may play a role in a primary or even in the gener...