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And that's really what has brought us here today, isn't it? >> no. i don't think so. actually when you look at the states the 30 state around the country who have this balancing test within state law, there's never been one example, one instance of a gay or lesbian citizen who has been discriminated against because of rfra we think that's a red herring argument. when you look at the cases time and time again across the country, it's these sorts of situations. it's the case of mary steinmatz in kansas she was a jehovah's witness and she needed a liver transplant could not get that across state ...

Service. its was a busy night last night from ferguson to d.c. we're digging deeper into this latest secret service scandal with senior agents crashing their car into barricades around the white house supposedly after a party. first of all, i can't believe we're even repeating that line that secret service agents might have been drunk and partying and crashed in their car. we've had a lot of these problems lately among secret service. i was unaware that there is this sort of immunity that many of these federal officers actually have in the prosecution of their job. can you tell me how that rel...

Their -- >> two quick points. the first point is this. number one, i understand that case. there's a distinction in that case. it was about public contact. it was entertainment. this is private conduct that humiliated people in the public domain. and when you deal with first amendment, it's a balancing test. you have individual rights but if these rights impede or otherwise impair the collective rights -- the company or in this case the university can take action, i think they're protected. >> and the free market kicks in because i dare say i do not think these two students are going to challe...

Million kids aren't even using the the school lunch program. >> yeah. >> it's got to stop. >> right. >> arthur, what should happen here? you know, a lot of kids don't have parenteds at home -- parents at home that are providing these meals for them. they do need the school to serve as a provider, so what role should the federal government be playing, and what rule should parents play? should they be signing petitions and saying, look, in this isn't working, we're not happy and we need to change it? >> it's a huge problem that can't be answered in 60 seconds, but it's a balancing test between t...

80 pages of new rules okay? and the rules are basically making it very difficult for police officers to do their jobs, even when it comes to violent crimes. and it is difficult, a tough balancing test because you have to look at the constitutional rights of the citizens. but you also have to take into account the police officers will be able to do their jobs. they are out there putting their lives on the line every single day. and oftentimes they have to make split-second decisions. now they are required essentially to hesitate. they have to do a menial checklist in the tense moments to say, a...