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Conversation, moving that ball forward, working bipartisan support from both sides. >> he's expressed empathy for people who live in high tax states like new york and california. if the administration goes forward and congress approves a plan that eliminates the state and local taxes, theoretically people could see their tax increase, notdy crease. is the administration committed to doing something that helps people in those high tax states? >> look, again, we're looking to work with congress to make sure we get the best deal possible for all americans across the board. that includes people in...

The best deal possible on tax reform, but i think that starts with things like having this conversation and moving that ball forward, working by partisan support for both sides. >> they seem to express empathy for people who live in high tax states like new york and california. if the administration goes forward and congress approves the plan, theoretically theoretically i they could see an increase, not decrease. is the administration committed to doing something to help people in the high-tax states? >> look. we're woking with congress to make sure we get the best deal possible for all ameri...

Like tonight, having this conversation and moving the ball forward, working bipartisan support. >> mark short said that president may need democrat support to get above 50. they would like to see if they can get 60 votes so they don't need to do this in the reconciliation process. it makes it more difficult what they can and cannot do. they would like to get a filibuster proof majority. the president, looks like he's going to war hurricane damage in florida on thursday. the white house is firming up the plants that i am told he will likely go to tampa, fort myers. >> shepard: thank you. lawmak...

>> he has, i think the president sees a lot of the past success he had in the campaign and thinks he owes him a debt of gratitude for it, but to jim's point, there's a lot to do here and it's time to move on. if steve bannon is no longer serving this president and a way that he feels is moving the ball forward, you have to find some whales who will. we don't need to read about this on the front page of "the new york times," we don't need unless cable segments about steve bannon, i think everyone is collectively tired of the staff turnover. numeral kelly, coming in as chief of staff has done a ...

Where do we go from here? >> condemn the president. >> let him finish, jonathan. >> how do we come together and bring blacks and whites and people of all races and ethnic groups together to say you know what? let's make this an opportunity to sit down and talk and move the ball forward, because, obviously, racial divisions have been going on for hundreds of years. >> you can't bring people together unless you explicitly say the man in the oval office has explicitly conducted himself and advanced a campaign and policies that are racist and bigoted. >> jonathan, i -- >> you can't do that. >> las...