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Macroeconomic head, there's reasons to think we're not on the precipice similar to 2007, lots of worrying things happening particularly with corporate debt. >> one that's not the same is that if you're booted out of your house, that's a serious issue. they can't take back your college education that you're not paying them back for. >> yeah. >> you can't declare it in bankruptcy either. >> yeah. >> what are the things that you're -- if the idea is that you want to see democrats put things on the agenda, you want to see people -- i think a hard thing to do, and an important thing to do is for pe...

They're going to get good at gaming it and making the numbers go up in a way that makes them more money. >> one thing i will say, having gone through 2016 and the sort of wars on twitter, and now having -- how much that was ballot activity, i have this weird uncanny sensation like are these real people or are these bots or trolls or foreign agents? >> well, i mean, i have that problem. but i have about myself because i spend so much time having to click through to websites where i have to pick out which photos are of motorcycles and type out this word. >> i get stressed out i'm going to fail t...

Look real. six degrees removed from authentic. >> it seems like there's so much money slashing around and so little accountability for it. they're unilaterally telling every publisher in america what the numbers and what's working and no one can peer under the hood. >> people have said about advertising forever, 50% of your money is wasted, and you're never going to know which 50%. >> it's possible it's 100% of your money is wasted. any time you have a system where it's sort of a purery numerical system, people will game it and they're going to get good at gaming it and making the numbers go u...

>> a bunch have been faking sponsored posts to convince advertisers that they are -- >> worthy. >> they are faking poests that are fake posts that are meant to look real. six degrees removed from authentic. >> it seems like there's so much money slashing around and so little accountability for it. they're unilaterally telling every publisher in america what the numbers and what's working and no one can peer under the hood. >> people have said about advertising forever, 50% of your money is wasted, and you're never going to know which 50%. >> it's possible it's 100% of your money is wasted. any...

>> let me put on my macroeconomic head, there's reasons to think we're not on the precipice similar to 2007, lots of worrying things happening particularly with corporate debt. >> one that's not the same is that if you're booted out of your house, that's a serious issue. they can't take back your college education that you're not paying them back for. >> yeah. >> you can't declare it in bankruptcy either. >> yeah. >> what are the things that you're -- if the idea is that you want to see democrats put things on the agenda, you want to see people -- i think a hard thing to do, and an important t...