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Conflict. but on both on the economic front and there is stuff the military is doing to protect against a refugee crisis and the stuff that lloyd austin announced. talk about the way the military has a role to play here even though it's not a role not so far at least and hopefully never a role that involves direct conflict or combat. >> sure, john. look, whim it's not a large scale conflict, certainly we have seen it invasion by russia of ukraine. and the united states military has a role not to engage in direct action with russia. the president was very clear that our president is for defense...

>> well nato in general. the united states in particular, nato overall. this is vladimir putin fighting a war in ukraine for seven years now. he's not winning that war. so this is a continuation of the war that he started in 2013 in the husk. and this is his way to solve the ukraine question. nato has built up over the last several years, not really on russia's borders, not in the way he describes it. and he's testing the lines here and he's looking at the airlines altogether, if the nato alliance will help the ukrainians, if the nato alliance will see to his demands to move back pre 1997 leve...

I'm sure that at some point, nato countries will come along, but it may be too late for ukraine. it may be just too late. >> kira, what do you make of the explanation you're hearing from western leaders, saying they cannot institute a no-fly zone because that would feasibly mean nato forces, western forces shooting down a russian plane, engaging in warfare with russia, which could mean world war iii. >> i think it's an illusion that this war has not began. because what's happening right now is putin is trying to conquer the countries up to the borders of the soviet union or russian empire, and...

Anti—tank missiles, more stinger shoulder launched missiles to take out aircraft. in the early stages russians will rely on missiles. they will rely on missiles. they will want these stinger missiles this is a decisive moment in the contest between freedom and authoritarianism, and we have to help the ukrainians at their own peril. it has been enough consensus among western countries, people working together and countries working together and countries working together and countries working together as much as they could be?— working together as much as they could be? some countries have b...

What do you think? what kind of impact did this have on the entire region? >> there is a theory, and i think the baltic countries will be the first to stand up and say we're really worried about this. there is the theory that perhaps if putin is successful in ukraine that then what he will do is say okay, i made it there, let's give it a shot in other places. in the past there have been another set of theories that he really wants to test article 5 of the nato agreement to see whether or not if -- you know, if they attack, for example, lithuania, latvia, whether or not the united states, you k...