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Charged first and then pardoned or else schneiderman is in the wings. >> and mike, donald trump doesn't want to wait to see him be charged. >> right. >> that allows the fbi and the prosecutors all that time with all that evidence. and so he wants to stop them from working on that evidence. >> right. >> from developing a case against michael cohen. what does he do? >> well, any pardon is a political disaster because it's obviously so linked to the president's self-interest. if i were michael cohen, i would be thinking do i trust donald trump, having been his henchman for so many years, having s...

President's self-interest. if i were michael cohen, i would be thinking do i trust donald trump, having been his henchman for so many years, having seen him break so many commitments to so many people. then i think what would donald do if he were i? he would flip. he would flip in a new york minute. he would race over there to protect himself. nobody is a bigger expert on the ban nalt of donald trump than michael cohen. with that great learning, i would expect him to act in his own self-interests just like his old boss. >> reports michael cohen is stunned by the size of his legal expenses alre...

Has come out of the house. speaker boehner led the way on cut, cap and balance trying to offer an alternative. i don't support it. but he's out there trying to offer solutions. >> yes. and that is what i wanted to ask you here. i -- there is a fact later in the program, i was unhappy the senate gave the president an nalt tiff. the gang of six plan here. but you're right. none of the republicans voted for a still to come plus, budgets or health care bill. now, they have come up with a vote for the ryan plan, passed it. voted for cut, cap and balance, they passed it. speaker boehner has a plan. ...

Cut, cap and balance trying to offer an alternative. i don't support it. but he's out there trying to offer solutions. >> yes. and that is what i wanted to ask you here. i -- there is a fact later in the program, i was unhappy the senate gave the president an nalt tiff. the gang of six plan here. but you're right. none of the republicans voted for a still to come plus, budgets or health care bill. now, they have come up with a vote for the ryan plan, passed it. voted for cut, cap and balance, they passed it. speaker boehner has a plan. the white house says they'll veto it. harry reid said it's...