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Saying no, that wouldn't be right, wouldn't be prudent to meet with the russians? >> yeah, i think so. for a couple reasons, brian. first of all, obviously manafort was at the top of the campaign despite efforts that suggest that manafort played a limited role for a limited time in the words of former secretary sean spicer, manafort was there at a pivotal moment. he does have ties to both serious russian players and people who are very closely allied to the putin regime include i including victorian na cove itch, the former president of the ukraine. and there are things that have come into the...

Coordination between the campaign and russia or between other trump associates and other russian associates, and that has to do with his adherence to money laundering roles, banking roles, there are a number of ways that manafort could potentially have some liability here that aren't necessarily directly related to what had been the core animating issue of this investigation, that being any ties between trump and russia and any potential collusion between the trump campaign and russia. >> ken vogel, one of the best on this story. thank you for coming on. that's a terrific explanation of the st...

Pivotal moment. he does have ties to both serious russian players and people who are very closely allied to the putin regime including viktor yanukovych, the former president of the ukraine. and there are things that have come into the sites that don't directly relate to any coordination between the campaign and russia or between other trump associates and other russian associates, and that has to do with his adherence to money laundering roles, banking roles, there are a number of ways that manafort could potentially have some liability here that aren't necessarily directly related to what ha...