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He wants to be part of the world order. >> that's not what bannon wanted, though. >> not what bannon wanted, but he's for peace and global prosperity. he wants to get along with our allies and he wants to put a hurt on our adversaries. >> can you understand the confusion? >> i can't speak for the president. but i think what the president was trying to do was there was a sleeve of the president's agenda which is an america first agenda. it's for the middle class families, for what the president called the forgotten man or woman. wages rising. there's a sleeve of the president's personality for ...

Alt-right obviously has some links to anti-semi-ites and oth extremist groups. this guy had no chance to win but he had every chance to become a huge embarrassment to bannon and an impediment in his political program. he was thrown overboard. >> do we have a sense, rebecca, what the state of the president trump-steve bannon relationship is at this time? >> well, it's complicated. let's put it that way. the president listens to steve bannon still. they talk semi-regularly or regularly depending on who you're talking to, who you're getting the information from. and of course the president did en...

So one thing you can't have, you can't have -- >> you think steve bannon was a good hire? >> i don't. i obviously said as much. i think he was a bad hire not because wasn't talented or smart and quote/unquote strategic, he just didn't want to play inside the sandbox with the other people. he was splitting people between nationalism and globalism and to really understand the president, there's a nuance to him there as well. he is a globalist by nature. he wants to be part of the world order. >> that's not what bannon wanted, though. >> not what bannon wanted, but he's for peace and global prosp...