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Cohen did it? >> i don't know of any reputable lawyers that would do that and i think probably the new york bar has guidance regarding the duties of lawyers and whether or not it's ethical to record clients. it's not normal practice. not that -- bar rules are something that's at the top of his list of concerns, but i wouldn't be surprised if the new york bar looked at it. it's not normal practice. it might be one of the reasons, i think, perhaps that donald trump relied on michael cohen so much for a variety of dealings was because he thought that using a lawyer -- sometimes people use a lawye...

Client's name?" steve ryan says, "the legal ground, your honor, is first of all mr. cohen's duty to the client under the bar codes that we've presented the court with. the judge says, "well, remember that what we deal with here is federal law and 2nd circuit law." mr. cohen's lawyer says, "no, no, understood. i'm talking about the bar rules, meaning legal ethics rules that govern mr. cohen's conduct in terms of releasing the name." the judge said, "well, if i order that it be released, he has no problem with respect to his own ethics." cohen's lawyer says, "if we give it to you and i have some...

Person now, the concern is even if we put it in a sealed proceeding right now that it might be released. if we could count on that not being released to the public, at this point no one would want to be associated with the fact that they were a client in this way because of the notoriety around this search warrant. we're protecting the identity of that person, but not from the court and not from an in-camera review by the court. i can give you that name right now in a sealed envelope and provide it to the court. the client was contacted over the weekend and asked that we not disclose their nam...

This legal argument which suggests that although it could be a questionable practice under bar rules, it's not an illegal practice in the state of new york. so what matters here is the substance of these tapes, and in the context of what we now know to be the unfolding criminal investigation, there could be information avenatti is aware of on those tapes that would be damaging to cohen. >> i want to bring in charlie sikes. a contributing eder to the "weekly standard" and an msnbc contributor. thanks for your time here. i am not going to ask you to play lawyer, but let's talk about the politics...

Up until a few days ago, he showed great restraint and showed discipline. we knew that with never going to last. lo and behold he cracked on thursday and made the statements on air force one. as a result, we don't think there's any question there is no agreement. the nda is thrown out the window. >> you're a pretty good lawyer. how long have you been practicing law? >> 18 years. >> i want to ask you some questions in the way it works between an attorney and a client. would you or have you ever, as an attorney, out of your fund, paid a claim for one of your clients? >> no. in fact, there's bar ...