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Learning about, i'll yield to barbara mcquestion read on this, i think i'm learning about the ongoing obstruction of justice being committed in this case. you know, this bogus reason, this is the most inventive reason people around donald trump have -- put around president trump have come up with not to tell what they know and what really happened. and, as the congressman said, if they're not under subpoena, if they can't be compelled to tell the truth and to knock it off, then we're going to have to wait for judges i think to -- who can people in contempt and throw them in jail to get some of...

Mueller investigation. >> exactly. and where it's really happening is inside the mueller investigation. and, you know, he has -- every time he comes out and does something, he seems to telegraph or to signal to everyone, not only the substance of who he's indicted or who's pleaded guilty, but also, a little surprise. a little something that you didn't know, that nobody knew, that hadn't leaked out. and i think -- again, i would ask barbara mcquade but wonder if prosecutors bouldn't use the technique to perhaps rattle potential witnesses and to signal to them that, you know, i know a whole lot ...

Does as eugene suggests. filing the documents called statement of the offense with a lot of detail, identifying officials by title, you know, senior trump transition team official, very senior trump team transition official. those are telegraphing to the people, they know who they are and i think it's a message to say, if you want to cooperate, we know who you are, too, maybe now's the time to come in the door. >> barbara, eugene, thank you both for joining us tonight. >> thank you. coming up, michael flynn was terksing about a russian deal 11 minutes after donald trump took the oath of offi...

Get it. i think people get that this is an obvious attempt to hide something. now, people don't know exactly what it was that was being hidden but i think it's pretty obvious they're hiding something. >> barbara, it seems to me looking at the cbs poll, it's a kind of an affect that i know that lawyers and prosecutors try to create in courtrooms with witnesses, meaning, if you can show that a witness lies about something, anything, or has lied in their lives about several things, you can use that to undermine whatever else they're saying. and for donald trump who has proven himself to a majorit...