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Really has happened here. there's been an obstruction of justice. there's no question about that. no question about the president's involvement in that obstruction. one of the questions that mueller is trying to answer is whether that obstruction itself furthered the interest of the russians. the obstruction is not separate from the collusion question. but did the obstruction further putin's aims as well as what happened during the campaign? >> john, according to the "post," the white house strategy is to, i'm quoting, strongly assert the president's executive privilege to both congress and th...

They can make that argument? >> there's really more allure to executive privilege than law and it's more of a political struggle than an actual legal struggle. it's very remote for these to get their way to courtroom, so what you have are really two bargaining bodies and they claim it. they may try to justify the claim. but there's little that congress can do when the president really clamps down other than try to put political pressure on. the subpoena process is slow and cumbersome. so it if goes to that, that's why they may figure they may need lawyers. they're going to deny a lot of stuff ...