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Into this? >> that's a good question, george. i think a binary approach for this issue w is highly complicated, lots of moving parts is not going to work very well. so if president donald trump insists with a binary approach, black or white, i think the summit may unfortunately be setup for failure. because clearly there will have to be a lot of compromise on both sides in reaching some kind of common ground. mr. kim jong-un, one could guess also approaches from a very transactional hard bargaining perspective. so i think a good business metaphor, the coming together of two ceos i think would ...

Afghanistan. pakistan has a large supply of nuclear weapons. we don't want to fall into the wrong hands -- i'm not saying that we have to acknowledge their leverage publicly too often from the administration's perspective, but from a bargaining perspective, it is very hard simply to ignore that. i think it is a testament to getting the relation back on even keel temporarily. but it does not reflect the kind of progress that we need to get the pakistanis to shape up a lot more. more work remains to be done. bill: ambassador john bolton, thank you so much for your time today. martha: coming up, ...