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I remember my grandmother say don't mess with people's money. some of the people affected may have voted for this president. do you think this leaves a lasting mark in the minds of these every day americans, these people getting checks that are worthless? >> i think it's very concerning and the federal workers are in a fairly weak bargaining position. since the taft-hartley act of 1947, federal workers haven't been allowed to go on strike. there have been incidents where federal workers have effectively gone on strike in 1981 famously, 11,000 air traffic controllers went on strike and presiden...

Forward. i want to get your thoughts on the border wall controversy because from a legal perspective, we talked to judge napolitano but does the president have a right when it comes to the border? >> trey: the president has legal rights when it comes to national emergencies. actually, i don't think that is the route he will go. i think he is looking for a willing negotiating partner and martha come with the folks across from the table think i should be disbanded and border troll gases with intent children and any physical boundary is nativist and racist, that is a tough bargaining position. if...

But what does it do to his bargaining position if two of his members, even though they are vulnerable, probably have to do it, are breaking with him on the shutdown as this thing drags on? >> it makes it a little bit tougher. he's got to hold those pieces together, you know, create that front for the president that, you know, we're going to do what the president wants. but he knows what his reality is. i mean, you just are talking, too, of what is a much bigger iceberg of republican senators who are on the cut for next year. and so this is just the beginning. he knows that this is going to be ...

Up and voted yes on the 2006 secure fence act. and those people included barack obama, who president trump was talking about here, hillary clinton, joe biden and even senator chuck schumer. and if you look at the two pieces of legislation, the two proposals here, the 2006 fence act, secure fence act, which went a long way toward securing the border in places like arizona, it reduced illegal border crossings by about 74%, those two pieces of legislation are actually quite similar. so much it shocking to see nancy pelosi sit with joy reid from this network and say she's not giving, quote, one do...

Court, mitch mcconnell, and are you interested in keeping the government closed over this wall, and what do you and your republican colleagues want to do it? it is not a plan to reopen the government directly, but a planb to increase the pressure on the republicans particularly in the senate to come to a reasonable bargaining position, and position where prams they could split from the president or decide that this fight is just not worth it anymore. >> or redefine the idea of the wall is and that is a matter of semantics and what you heard from john kelly saying in the exit interview, we stop...