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To a çtwo-year freeze on their salary. i cut my own salary. that's the way management works with labor. senator lowden, how do republicans win these things? >> it's not as simple as wages. also part of the collective bargaining is with health care, for instance. can you bid out health care and find cheaper prices? it's with days off. with sick leave. those kinds of issues are very important. it's not just wages. >> and that drives up state deficits? >> yes, it does. yes, it does. and you have to be able to get into those contracts and make it public. how about opening those bargaining sessio...

If the government was shut down. why would they do that? think about it and take a step back how this week started. the president officially filing paperwork to run for re-election now this week may be ending with him presiding how the politics played out and radioactive it could be. in '94, '96, the bottom line is, the white house is acutely aware. >> between the white house meetings and staffs, they were trying, trying to resolve differences over how much to cut now and belong in this spending deal and bargaining sessions and dana -- it doesn't seem like that is the case because of the thing...

If you're willing to give concessions. in montana, our employees agreed 2 1/2 years ago to a two-year freeze on their salaries. i praise them for their work and cut my own salary by declares 1 -- by $11,000. that's the way management works with labor. senator lowden, how do republicans win these things? >> it's not as simple as wages. it's also a part of the collective bargaining is with health care issue, for instance. can you bid out health care and find cheaper prices? it's with days off. with sick leave. those kinds of issues are very important. it's not just wages. >> and that drives up s...