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>> shame! >> shame! shame! shame! shame! shame! shame! shame! >> you know when a story has legs, it looks like that. that was the scene just last night in madison, wisconsin, after the state assembly passed a bill that does cut collective bargaining rights for state workers and they don't like it. you saw them there in the t-shirts. but the bill stops right there, because now democratic state senators have fled the state and said they're not coming back to wisconsin until the union cuts are out of business. the fight highlights the larger political shift going on among the unions, the democrat...

And that's been the reason for the deficits out there in pennsylvania. what do you make of that? that these contracts do drive up the debt? >> well, in the case of montana, we have statutes so that if youç start even working one day, whatever your benefits are, all the way to retirement, that's what you get. so what we've done, when i took office, is we changed the benefit package for anybody new who comes on board. and we've negotiated with the public employee unions. we've negotiated health care benefits. we've negotiated their wages, negotiated the number of days they've worked. they're wi...

That's the way management works with labor. senator lowden, how do republicans win these things? >> it's not as simple as wages. it's also a part of the collective bargaining is with health care issue, for instance. can you bid out health care and find cheaper prices? it's with days off. with sick leave. those kinds of issues are very important. it's not just wages. >> and that drives up state deficits? >> yes, it does. yes, it does. and you have to be able to get into those contracts and make it public. how about opening those bargaining sessions so that the public can see it so the taxpayers...