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>> we are going back wards. you are trying to make advances and trying to bring unions in to a company that moves forward. we don't need them. >> wayne, last word, over all. unions 30 years ago and unions today. different time? >> i think there is a difference in philosophy. the workers make a lot of money and the workers should share in that. the capitalist share. you don't share that share. it is a bargaining tool. and in a free market society everyone bargains. and if there is a grevance and people are not treated properly yes, there is a reason for a otherwise there innocent. >> coming up....

progress. democratic senate leader harry reid and republican senate leader mitch mcconnell on the senate floor moments ago. look. >> today the speaker republican leader held a press conference to announce they're in talks with the president and that a bargain to raise the debt ceiling is in the works and is close. in president, members of the senate, that's not true. i just spent two hours with the president, vice president, and leader pelosi, and it's fair for me to say that the engagement there is not in any meaningful way. the speaker, republican leader should know that merely say...

Headquarters. live in islamabad, pakistan. what is the latest on u.s. officials being able to interrogate the three widows of bin laden? >> reporter: we've had some confusion over last few days as to when and if the united states will get access to the wives who it's understood may hold the key to at least some information about osama bin laden's movements over the last few years. of course, john kerry's due to arrive any day now in islamabad. officially to smooth over ties and perhaps rebuild some bridges following the osama bin laden operation. however, of course, some tough talking will be ...

Conservative guy, he says this is a sha raid a. facade about fighting over the debt ceiling, that we have to enact reforms that will make permanent binding change, the white house has signaled listen, let's take care of the debt ceiling and we'll work out that other stuff. does the gop lose its main bargaining tool if they say go ahead and vote on the debt ceiling, then we'll talk about the balanced budget amendment and the other things they're pushing for? >> you're 110 percent right, there's no way the republicans are going to go for anything that's not latched to the concept of structural r...

At wisconsin there because you look at the governor saying, look, it means layoffs and if you recall l-- furloughs if we don't make the cuts. you have the teachers saying that's busting the unions. we should be able to bargain and negotiate. it's a tough case. kids are out of school, classes cancelled, schools shut down. a lot of people look the at wisconsin in particular. >> in ohio, they're trying to do exactly the same thing. the governor there wants to take away collective bargaining rights for teachers unions and public employees. the very same thing could happen in ohio. that bill is in ...