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There is a saeng, i'm paraphrasing and i don't it it in front of me suggesting that rudy giuliani is part of and they use this word, part of a scheme to bring pressure to bear for aid to donald trump's campaign with respect to joe biden. and so they are not accusing him of anything yet but by putting that language in the letter and also asking for -- i think it is four single spaced pages of documents relating to all aspects of rudy giuliani's business in ukraine and conversations with the state department and with the u.s. attorney general, they're biting off a lot here and they're suggesting...

Decision not to allow the testimony tomorrow, that this has happened more than a dozen times in the last 50 years, that you get this clash between the executive branch and the legislative branch over testimony. >> but why do you think that the white house didn't have a problem with mcgahn testifying before the mueller investigators, but they do have a problem with mcgahn now testifying before the house judiciary committee? >> that's a good question for the white house. but i will say that i think that we can come to an agreement. and i think that there were negotiations between the judiciary c...