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To think 11 children were being held there dirty and stamping and now allegedly being trained for this. scott, thank you for continuing your report iing. let's talk about this more with art roderick. how can it be that 11 children are held on this compound? i get that it's in a rural part of new mexico, but 11 children? for a long time, and the authorities didn't know. >> this is a very strange case and troubling to say the least. we've got 11 counts of child abuse already. there's going to be more charges coming out at some of these other accusations that have been made proved to be true. not...

Substantial future planning? >> well, they very well could have looked at past school shootings and found information on the compound concerning that. we've seen that in the past, where the parkland school shooter studied school shootings to figure out tactics in what would work and give them the greatest body count so this could have been the type of information that they did find on this particular compound. >> art roderick, we'll keep everyone posted and hoping for the best for those 11 children. dozens more killed when air strikes hit a bus taking children to summer camp. this happened i...

Shot prior to the crashed vehicle and him hiding outside inside the trader joe's, it gave me a second to kind of step back and say, how would you handle this? and with a 19-year-old. you correctly researchers ifere he's a kid. art roderick mentioned it, this wasn't something where he staked out a location and wanted to take hostages. he acted out. one of the things we do in hostage negotiations is we want to get folks to talk. we want to make a perimeter and contain the subject. and as long as people aren't being hurt, we want the situation to go on as long as possible, because the longer it g...

Skills where you're showing empathy to the person involved, but not sympathy, understanding but not agreement. you want to talk them out of the situation without making a bad situation a perilously worse situation. to the lapd's credit, it looks like they did a fine job. you asked earlier who would be in charge of the scene. art roderick correctly mentioned it would be the lapd, unless there was some determination made early on that there was a terror component, meaning the violence was precipitated by an ideological cause or religious fervor or some type of social justice exercise. as long as...

At that point the suspect exited the vehicle with his gun, started firing at officers, and fled here into this trader joe's. and that is where we are now. i want to go to cnn law enforcement analyst, former assistant director of the u.s. marshals office, art roderick. art, good to have you with us. we've been using the word "barricaded," we've been using the words "hostage situation." we've just learned also, this is a young man in his teens who was willing to shoot his grandmother. >> yes. >> so in your mind, does that make it even more dangerous for the people inside? you know, this young ma...