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President's notion about this. congressman stupak and the president agree. >> but they don't agree how you get it. what needs to be done, he used to abyes, he is now a no vote. how does he become a yes sflot >> i think people will continue to talk to him. i think that there is no question -- >> to try to persuade him he's wrong. >> i think there is no question that the senate bill does not provide federal funding for abortion but at the end of the day i think that we'll get to the point that there's agreement that there is no federal funding on abortion. >> he is misinformed. >> i think he is ...

Shocking. i think that this is democracy and a big political problem for the democrats. i think you see the democrat leadership in disarray and in the house and charlie rangel having to step aside and all of these other problems. >> that doesn't have anything to do with health care, john. >> let me make my point. >> that actually makes a role in how they count the votes and they are trying to get this passed through the house. they are trying to get this jammed through before the easter recess because they don't want to face the voters. >> nancy pelosi says they are going to accept the senate ...

Who took the fall for killing the public option. there's always been a suspicion that the broader number of democratic senators weren't thrilled with the idea. they were happy to have it be joe lieberman's fault. now is question is, how many are there that want to take responsibility for blocking this. i'm not clear that there are but i'm not clear that there are 50 that wanted it in. >> let's say that there are 50 democrats who wanted it. what are the other ones that they had to worry about? >> the main obstacles is that there are a number other issues in play. there's a question of abortion,...

Among people who report on this, who cover it, that the broader number of democratic senators weren't thrilled with the idea. they were happy to have it be joe lieberman's fault. now the question is how many are there that want to take responsibility for blocking this. i'm not clear that there are but i'm not clear that there are 50 that wanted it in. >> let's say that there are 50 democrats who wanted it. what happen are the other obstacles they need to worry about? >> the main obstacles is that there are a number other issues in play between the house and the senate. there's a question of ab...

Theine even this trick strategy won't work because the conservative democrats in the house behind bart stupack will be up in arms. >> would the obama administration resort to this given the fire he's been under for back room deals, cornhusker kick back and then a trick, behind the back maneuver to get the bill through? >> don't forget they have convinced themselves they lose if they don't get the bill through because they convinced that would hurt them with voters. the reality is the opposite. they keep pushing it through, it's the opposite of what people want and there will be consequences co...