For the democrats, they had a great tradition, this is a traditional base convention. they had their superstars. you couldn't get to see the union hacks in prime-time that gave the speeches. this is all about the base. at the end ever the day there was nothing knew. the democrats can get extraordinary speeches. the president gave his version of i had a dream. this is what america would be like, they every kid could go to harvard and all that is keeping us from that is republicans. i think the thing is where are we going to be four years from now and i don't think he answered that question. jon...