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Narrative. if not, what do you do? he didn't get penalized to that last time. >> is this going to be a base election or conversion? >> a base election. let me say it one more time. a base election. >> the majority of americans don't like children in cages, they still do it. why are democrats not as passive to their base. do you understand the strategy of saying you need republicans in moderate force but not worried about the base. >> president obama led by moral authority. he went to great pains, look at how the republicans acted. this idea that nancy pelosi is going to win and convert

By as the president trashes that constitution and wants to step towards authoritarianism, the politics may not be right for the democratic party right now, but in the long arc of history, i swore an oath to do what is right and the right thing to do is when someone wants to violate our constitution and not subject themselves to the checks and balances that we must hold them accountable. >> you say you don't want to get into the politics of it but i want to talk a little bit of politics for just a moment. i asked a great pollster down here in florida, whether he thinks the next election will be...

Premise that this is a fight between moderates and progressives. we are going to nominate a progressive, he says. but is this the best strategy? here to debate former democratic member of the ohio state senate can a tri cafaro and progressive commentator and co-founder of run for america david burnstein. thank you both for being here this morning. >> absolutely. pete: i will put my cards on the table. feels like a bit of a catch-22. seems to be with progressive, socialism. open borders. universal income. medicare for all. those feel like messages tough to sell in states you need to win like wi...

I guess he's saying it is a small difference. it is not a big difference. so the idea that trump somehow -- his distance from trump on some issues caused the loss. he is representing a pretty big filter. >> that's right. i think this election in particular was a base election. this was about energizing our side or the nancy pelosi/chuck schumer side. especially in the battleground states in the final through days. he was going to run through and energize and kavanagh's stuff got people going. he was talking about what was at stake. when you come into the election like this, getting that base f...

Saying it is a small difference -- it is not a big difference. so the idea that trump somehow -- his distance from trump and some issues caused the loss, i mean, he is representing a fairly purpleish district. >> that is right. i think this election was, in particular, a base election. energizing our side or the nancy pelosi/top, chuck schumer side. he showed in those final few days in those battleground states, he was going to energize the base. the kavanaugh stuff got people going, he was talking about what was at stake and the result he was getting. when you coming to an election like this,...