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Limits at least of some polls. They are part of the picture because it is part of the process. Now, jen, you are of course working in the iowa caucuses 20 years ago this month. Hard to believe it is at fact. And from there, of course, to your White House work, and now to your work. We are gonna turn to you. Right, look, as ari says, as you just said, both can be important. The latest Nbc News des moines Register Poll shows trump at 48 , compared to Nikki Haley at 20 , which is of course a jump for her. She is now advancing desantis which is a contrast in december. Desantis its at 16 . And whil...

I guess he's saying it is a small difference. it is not a big difference. so the idea that trump somehow -- his distance from trump on some issues caused the loss. he is representing a pretty big filter. >> that's right. i think this election in particular was a base election. this was about energizing our side or the nancy pelosi/chuck schumer side. especially in the battleground states in the final through days. he was going to run through and energize and kavanagh's stuff got people going. he was talking about what was at stake. when you come into the election like this, getting that base f...