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Gotten negative and the president spent millions of dollars taking out negative ads, the polls are a statistical dead heat. it's not working. this is right in the dead of august. this is rare. >> dana: i think if you were to go back. we pulled the tape of our show in june, we sort of all predicted this. right? obama had a terrible june. he had a pretty good july. both of them have had a whatever august. now it's in a dead heat. that's what the media wants, right? everybody is going to want a dead heat up to the end. let me tell you, around october 20 is when you start seeing the main stream me...

To say look, akin, you need to get out of the race and i am for an exception for rape and danger to the life of the mother and he will start to look, not that he is, he will start to look a little more moderate on the abortion position which would be wonderful for independent women. the problem is this is really a base election. he needs to turn out the base. so at some point, evangelical christians are going to go hey, wait a minute, all right, enough of the piling on from romney, mcconnell, all these guys, let's move on and there's a real danger there politically that this could be a major f...

The romney campaign feels that way in reverse. ohio is this challenge for them that frankly they never expected but it's why you see this targeting on welfare. this is all targeting white working class voters in ohio are not flocking to romney in the way they thought they would. >> you've been doing a lot of analysis of that as well. >> yes. what it seems to me is becoming clear in this campaign is that both sides, the obama camp and the romney camp, are treating this as a base election, not a base plus election, and i think the welfare ads and the advocacy, the belligerence of romney on that ...

Them obama is slightly ahead. so he is very close to taking this thing. he only needs if he can keep, ohio, in miss column it would be -- there is pretty much no way romney can get there. i know karl has some sets of states that would make up for ohio but ohio now ohio and i think virginia become very critical. >> chris: bill there is a lot of talk and you heard it especially this week among pollsters when you drill down into the numbers less than 5%, some people say 3% of voters who are truly undecided. truly up for grabs and the argue goes that they are are not going to end up being that imp...

Them obama is slightly ahead. so he is very close to taking this thing. he only needs if he can keep, ohio, in miss column it would be -- there is pretty much no way romney can get there. i know karl has some sets of states that would make up for ohio but ohio now ohio and i think virginia become very critical. >> chris: bill there is a lot of talk and you heard it especially this week among pollsters when you drill down into the numbers less than 5%, some people say 3% of voters who are truly undecided. truly up for grabs and the argue goes that they are are not going to end up being that imp...