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Susan and jimmy. how do you interpret what the president is doing, susan? >> he made an official stop on this fundraising tour he's doing, so i guess this works, and that's unfortunately what people are seeing. when he came out for energy quality, people responded in saying it's political. everything he's doing now is being viewed as political. >> but isn't, jimmy, what everybody does at this point? isn't that the base issue, that the gap between the optics of behaving politically, whether it's something romney did or something the president is doing, and policy is getting so wide, where it's ...

White house politically is that it doesn't really hurt him with other swing voters. it's mostly a base issue. it will excite the liberal base and the conservatives who are upset about immigration, they weren't going to vote for him anyway. so it excites his base and helps with those swing -- potential swing voters right in the middle there. not just hispanics, but there are other communities in which there are big immigration presences in which it helps him and could help him at the margins win votes. >> as you see, we are looking at a live shot of the white house. obviously we are still waiti...