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Wealthiest among kept to keep or get more tax break, we are not doing the right thing. >> governor walker responded to president obama's saying i'm sure the president knows most federal employees do not have collective bargaining for wages and benefits while our plan allows it for base pay. howard fineman of the "huffington post," thank you for joining me. how did the president's speech change the dynamic of the situation today if at all? >> i don't think it did very much. i spoke to labor officials late in the afternoon. once again they wished he said more. they would have liked to have heard...

Do their job. >> dave: and we mentioned the collective bargaining, except for with regards to their base pay. now, taking that entirely out of the debate for a moment, can you comment on their tactics? of course, you need 20 votes to bring this to a vote, there in wisconsin and they are fleeing the state and refusing to come back and debate this or have a vote. what do you think of their tactics? >> well, i could tell you, i spent my first two years in the legislature as a minority and i came to work every day and there were bills that the then majority parties had, 1.2 billion dollars on taxe...

California, were making $800,000 a year. little tiny town making that much. the state comptroller out in california, fellow by the name of john chang has been looking at some of the big pensions that people in big cities get. take a look at this -- we've got some -- some quotations on how much some of these people are making. for instance, chief fong in san francisco. look at that. her last year in office, she was making $528,000 and right now, her annual pension is $229,000 for life. >> i wonder how many people knew this ahead of time. what about the deputy chief that's now retired. the deput...

Back to the police chief, yeah, $229,500 per life, per year. there's another one. here's another deputy chief. unknown base pay but $172,703 unused vacation days. those big lump checks, that's unused vacation, sick comp pay time they're being paid for. here's another important point. this is mandatory under state law and this is written into state law, folks. so next time that you hear about a public hearing or something about base pay for people and benefits and all that, you might want to attend. >> we are not anti-law enforcement. we know they put their lives on the line every single day, t...

High school sports. >> just for the pick -- pictures? >> yeah, just for the pics. >> they have a lower ceiling in terms of pay. yes. base pay is like $130,000. it can go as high as $155,000 depending on what area of the country you are in. with benefits it is north of 200k which isn't bad. >> no, that's wonderful. if you want to play it safe and you don't believe in yourself, go federal. >> that was harsh. >> do you want to apologize to the federal workers? >> i'm sorry. keep it up, kids. >> do federal workers watch "red eye"? >> why not. >> and happy birthday, andy. >> thank you. >> you are w...