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Say about the four democratic congresswomen. he did not shut down the chants of "send her home" that echoed his racist tweet over the weekend. he could have shut it down. he didn't. and the president himself out on the south lawn today said he thought it was working and said that he had no regrets, that he was happy with it. and i think that a key moment in his remarks that gets at why this matters for him is that he said look at that vote yesterday that the house took, 187 republicans stayed with him, only 4 republicans crossed. and he's consolidated the republican party. he's running for pre...

Moderate. >> neil: so that crowd will come out and vote. >> it's a base play for sure. this is -- >> neil: hardly the first party to do that. >> no. the risk is saying the trump brand, the risks they're playing with, you're going to veer so far to your base to the most extreme voices that you're going to scare off absolutely everybody else. that's how you win a primary. not how you win a general election. yet, i think with these very -- they're not even running for president and setting the terms of the debate. >> neil: they are setting the issues that are dominating that debate. >> i think th...

Of playing for the base. it obviously fits the pattern of never backing down or apologizing even when people in his party said he went too far. by the way, in this case, we have not necessarily seen that pushback. i think there's an argument to be made this is not a great idea just from a strategic standpoint, setting aside moral considerations here. if you look at polling about how americans feel about immigrants and what they bring to this country even over the last three, fours years since donald trump rolled down that golden elevate ir elevator in trump tower, people have gotten more accep...

Both bianna and sara, one of the first things they bring up is the politics here. is this a base play by the president? is the timing a week and a half before the cnn debate, does that play in here? but there's a flip side as well on "the new york times." this quote. agents have expressed apprehensions about arresting babies and young children. officials have said. there's still concern about how to pull this off. and there's still concern about people who might be affected. >> yes. the optics of this have the threat of being really bad for the administration. we saw the family separations jus...

Conference on the census and citizenship. now, we don't know at this point. we're trying to find out and do reporting at the white house as we speak. is this going to be an executive order to try to get a citizenship question on the census? how would that work legally? might he just back off and say he's not going to try to get the question on the census right now? we're not sure. but bianna, one thing we are sure about is talking about this at all again seems to be a base play. >> i don't think him announcing this on twitter is him backing off. usually if he backs off, he just stops talking a...