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By the end of the year. >> by hook or by crook? >> that's where they are right now. they have to get this done. and it is more important and let's not kid ourselves, any nominee donald trump puts up is going to match his base popularity. pretty much close to it. so if it's not kavanagh and it's someone else. i'm willing to bet that they're going to have really low approval numbers too. and that's unfortunately the way this process is going to go, probably for a very long time, whether it be a team -- >> there should be more time for americans to get to know who was being put forth. that's exac...

Past that i don't think she would be weak on security but we haven't seen what this presidency would like like in that direction. >> what about rand paul? he said send boots but just the arabs. how is he perceived on terror? >> i know in 2012 he supported limited sanctions, especially in russia and iran but he is another one who is going to be overshadowed by his father who is -- he is a non-interventionist. i think he's going to have that on his baggage list if you will. >> what about it mike? >> rand paul makes me nervous. the libertarian perspective of government less is better. he was real...

Movement up? donald trump. >> go ahead. >> well you know obviously he brings a business perspective. you're fired and all this type of thing. he has a base popularity and recognition that none of the other candidates have. what will be interesting to see is how tough will he be and how responsible will some of his viewpoints be in terms of how to conduct war on terror. >> problem solver. he is not soft-spoken for sure. time will tell in terms of what his plan would be. >> i have to tell you, if i am sitting across the table from some of the other candidates versus sitting across the table from...