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A day for every violation they commit? no, because that isn't the point here. it's a political point, a shrewd one. this administration is pursuing it nine as a political strategy for re-election, a base strategy and i believe it's inconsistent with our american values. >> andrew, i do not believe this is political. i believe this is totally racial because at the very beginning -- >> except for this guy race is politics. >> race is a hard issue now. we've had laws in place, all sorts of legislation, but at the end of the day it's about the heart. and his heart is dark. he doesn't want a browni...

Today from kon this change in p. this has been under consideration for some time. why roll it out now when everything is so heightened? >> well, this has been a long time in the works as you point out and it is different than so much of what we talk about with the trump administration because it is focused on undocumented immigrants in the united states. they are here legally but they don't have full pathway to citizenship yet, they don't have a green card yet, they don't have citizenship yet but they have a right to be in the united states and they're working toward those things. what is diff...

The nra's president, wayne lapierre that his base will not like background checks. the president is running for reelection on a base strategy. how does he square that circle? >> jim, there's no question that the president has talked a lot about guns. you didn't hear a lot of urgency in his marks this morning, not saying that the senate should come back early. but one big wild card in this long-running gun debate, we have seen this play out in washington shooting after shooting, a different equation is donald trump. if he would make the decision to essentially order or implore mitch mcconnell t...

Mcconnell raising the idea of bringing some of these measures up. the president even talking about this on twitter at least. on the other side, you have wayne lapierre of the nra telling him this will hurt him with his base. the president's reelection strategy is a base strategy. which force wins out? >> jim, i think part of the reason why mitch mcconnell is in no hurry to bring the senate back until september is because they are still calculating which force should win out and how these different forces are pulling them in two completely opposite directions. so there is clearly mounting frust...

Hate, sick people. i'm all in favor of it. >> according to "the washington post" lepierre told trump a background check bill would not be popular with trump's base. cnn senior washington correspondent joe johns, he's outside the white house here. listen, joe, this informs our sense of whether the president is going to get behind this. because in the past after parkland he raised the possibility, spoke with the nra, he backed off. we know the president's political strategy for 2020 is a base strategy. with what wayne lepierre telling the president this will damage his support with his base, are...