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Women, independents, you're worried. >> yes. i think it's true he can exist for a while on base support, but what trump is doing to a large extent in some of these suburban areas is taking white college educated women who were occasionally, if not reliably gop voters and turning them into at least swing voters, if not democratic voters. we don't know how they'll behave in a midterm election, if they'll sit at home. if they don't come out and they used to come out, that's a problem for the gop. the other issue for trump is we haven't seen his power transfer to other candidates unless they are v...

Permanent minority party if they continue on the trajectory. progressives disagree with this. they say we have been doing what the moderates want to do forever. it has not worked. better to switch strategies and focus on our base and give them what they want and they'll turn out and give us victory. >> we see bernie sanders who still have a base support all around the country. you and i were at many of those rallies where he drew tens of thousands of people during the campaign. the republicans like to call the face of the democratic party because of cassio kcortez, she' young and new and vibra...

Interesting. on the democratic side, she's got a clear path. she's also a moderate democrat. now she knows she's in arizona, a state where she is going to need some trump voters to cross over. she will need either some trump voters or some moderate republicans to cross over and vote for her in order to get the job that in arizona, not going to be enough to count on base support alone. chuck schumer is in a difficult position. they can turn them into nancy pelosi. it happens quicker than you think we do go from "everything's okay," to "you are the most detested man of politics." these guys shou...

Is that the way it is seen in washington? and that if you defy the president you do so at your political peril? >> of course that concern for so many candidates that take on the president you can end up on his twitter feed one day. i don't think anyone will be really excited about that. it's something to keep in mind for everyone running for office and the republican party really have to make up your party do i want the president on my side? and if i do join him to campaign for me? because he is a political force. he is the president. his base support you as well, that's a lot of people on you...

Those particularly -- those kind of optics are particularly important during the immigration debate. so many folks who care about the issue, animated by the issue of immigration and what they would describe as lax border security, when they see illegal aliens coming over the border, that does spark a lot of protests in many communities along the border. so when donald trump, you know, sends -- sends national guardsmen down to the border in order to stop what he believes is a pervasive problem, that does send, he believes, a strong message to those people that are most animated about this issue...