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Beyond washington, how this shakes out in terms of governorships. what will that tell us about the direction of the country? >> well, the same -- it will be part of the whole election narrative. and this is an election where republicans came in, they had two big challenges. they had to turn out their base and they have a challenge with independent voters, particularly women. i think the base part of that challenge has been met. remains to be seen how we do with independents and with women voters, especially educated women in the suburbs, but the high turnout, high early vote turnout, high vote...

Excitement from their base, the president is trying to do that, but i think in many ways he's been a bigger problem than help for a lot of these guys. >> i'll go back to the point mr. brokaw was making, he's being practical. but look at that word cloud. for those who want republicans in control, immigration is the big thing in the word cloud. i think the president is driving this because they think -- they think midterm elections are about base turnout. they always have and democrats have done a poor job of turning out their base. so he's trying to drive their base. the problem is and looking ...

But look at that word cloud. for those who want republicans in control, immigration is the big thing in the word cloud. i think the president is driving this because they think -- they think midterm elections are about base turnout. they always have and democrats have done a poor job of turning out their base. so looking at the "wall street journal's" number, the vote is higher right now than it was for george bush in '06 or barack obama in 2014. so the president's job disapproval right now really means something. >> hugh, i had a republican pollster said if rick scott doesn't win, it's not ri...

Excitement from their base, the president is trying to do that, but in many ways i think he's been a bigger problem than help for a lot of these guys. >> i'll go back to the point mr. brokaw was making, he's being practical. but look at that word cloud. for those who want republicans in control, immigration is the big thing in the word cloud. i think the president is driving this because they think -- they think midterm elections are about base turnout. they always have and democrats have done a poor job of turning out their base. so looking at the "wall street journal's" number, the vote is h...

Obama. and we have found out unfortunately that there is a portion of the country, not a majority there is a portion of the country that is very negatively exercised on race and if you put barack obama in a giant klieg light. in cycle has been unnerving for a lot of people. it was wise to shift it over here and make it her. i wonder whether you see in the polling with the women's march, with women being so angry and upset, whether or not you see in the polls that in the tack might not be working for republicans? >> wait i'm confused, joy are you saying we're not post-racial in america? i'm con...