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Steady lead in ohio. what are we going to look for? number one on the democratic side, can hillary clinton pull this state back, if you will, pull it away from donald trump? it's right here. cuyahoga county. african-american and drm democratic base turnout in chi hoegy county. can she do that with the map, the numbers, turnout numbers? next question in ohio, and this will be the same case in north carolina, in philadelphia -- in pennsylvania. who wins the battle for the suburbs? increasingly decided by the suburbs. lake county, ohio, look how close it was in 2012. president obama close enough ...

Cleveland. big places we have all heard of. trump all places where the pop los angeles at the rally and they are getting big crowds exceeded the population of the populous of the local town. what's that about? >> he's going to his base. they are both driving a base turnout. he is going to more rural areas. i was having a conversation with one of the campaign teams and he was noting how it is unusual the two campaigns, they are not a single voter they are fighting over. this is not a oh, we have to get the undecided voters. this is literally clintons going to urban parts of the country to turn ...

What hillary clinton called the gold standard before she turned against it. opposed, dead, buried. no, it hasn't according to the white house. hosting trade and industry groups to try to talk up the possibility of a post-election push to try to get it passed lame buck. probably not going to happen. say it here. it's not going to happen. advocates point out it's not dead no matter what. unlike regular legislation will live on through the next presidency. >> lawyers wrote it in. good for the lawyers there. abby? >> michelle obama and hillary clinton are going to be together again in north caroli...

Is a -- this is a red state. and yet the path to victory is massive turnout in democratic areas and then some persuasion. so i get the question in this debate is if you've got $10 to spend on turnout, do you spend 7 of those 10 on base turnout or on persuasion? >> it costs a lot more to do persuasion as it does to do turnout. as lynn argued and i say you've got to do both to win. you're going to get a slightly larger increase out of persuasion. persuasion is a more expensive process all in all, but the limits to persuasion are left. can you only go so far in increasing turnout. if you get anot...

Republican cosponsors. cantor is still being kind of cagey, so it really sort of shows how republicans have given up even pretending to appeal to african-american voters. >> and we mention those nine states that have new voter laws, and i know you were on the conference call with the dnc yesterday where they were trying to use the stricter voting laws to bring motivation to people to go to the polls. "this is an attempt by the republican party to shrink the electorate because they know that when the electorate is large, they lose. when the electorate is smaller, they win. it is crass, it is pu...