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>> both of them have the ability to expand outside of the republican base votes and other constituencies the gop needs to reach to win. we can argue whether marco rubio is better isn't that's jeb bush, but they clearly have that ability, i have lived through a murder/suicide pact when the dean campaign got into in iowa and we both lost because of that, it was one of the faster, there is a with of that in the way these two are starting to go after it. jenna: interesting admission. you are not afraid of anything in your life, joe is very honest with us and we appreciate his honesty. what do you ...

Immigration in a real way we're proud to do it, getting problems like the environment dealt with, rebuilding the country, doing it, none of this is getting done. all they do is sit around about these scraps of history they focus on and think they can make the biggest deal out of. i know benghazi was a tragedy, but there are a lot of tragedies growing every day in this world that they are not paying attention to, like the planet, the fiscal policy, and the failure to have a decent immigration policy. they don't address those big questions, they focus on fast and furious and the irs. they are ch...

Democratic base votes, they'll win the election. but they've got to worry about independent voters and even moderate republicans, and there are, as you know, moderate republicans in the philadelphia suburbs and the columbus suburbs and the cleveland suburbs. they are all over. there are still 40 or 50 moderate republicans who hold congressional seats, and they need the support of moderate republicans and independents, and when they look at this, they might say to themselves, gee, i sort of like my congressman, but we can't keep putting these guys in charge. aspersions on my asparagus? >> i thi...

Rape or life of the mother, these are not uncommon differences that candidates have and don't share some of the detail on those exceptions. this is the platform of the republican party. it is not the platform of mitt romney. >> not the platform of mitt romney. platform of the republican party. how does he sell that one? >> i am not sure how he sells that one. when you go to patricia's point how he has to simultaneously court his, you know, extremists of his own base and at the same time court independents he's trying to make it through this convention. because once he does that, his base votes...

The proportion of minorities double from 12 to 26. and can you argue that mathematically ronald reagan couldn't have been elected with the electorate that these guys are facing. so that's why you see the obama campaign jumping in there, up this morning in colorado, nevada, florida. but they're also pursuing an hispanic strategy in non-obvious states, ohio, pennsylvania, virginia, looking for these pockets. obama has a campaign within the campaign, they call it operation vote and it focusses on swing votes and base votes. so for african-americans they have a barber and beauty shop program to re...