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advocating against it. it was a very blunt contentious conversation. herschmann and i were on the same level of being the street fighters of the meeting. eric herschmann: when he finished discussing what he planned on doing, i said good fucking-- excuse me, sorry-- a-hole. congratulations, you just admitted a first step or act you take as attorney general would be committing a felony and violating rule six you're clearly the right candidate for this job. jake tapper: 49 37 white house counsel pat cipollone was vehemently against the plan as well. richard donoghue: he referred to the letter that jeff clark had submitted as a murder suicide pact that no one should have anything to do with it. i had basically made the point to the president that jeff clark was not even qualified to be the attorney general. he's promising you he's going to conduct these very complex nationwide investigations in record time, and this is coming from a guy who has never conducted a real investigation. mr. clark responded by saying that he's been involved in very significant environmental law briefing before various courts
for the leadership change and everyone else advocating against it. it was a very blunt contentious conversation. herschmann and i were on the same level of being the street fighters of the meeting. eric herschmann: when he finished discussing what he planned on doing, i said good fucking-- excuse me, sorry-- a-hole. congratulations, you just admitted a first step or act you take as attorney general would be committing a felony and violating rule six you're clearly the right candidate for this job. jake tapper: 49 37 white house counsel pat cipollone was vehemently against the plan as well. richard donoghue: he referred to the letter that jeff clark had submitted as a murder suicide pact that no one should have anything to do with it. i had basically made the point to the president that jeff clark was not even qualified to be the attorney general. he's promising you he's going to conduct these very complex nationwide investigations in record time, and this is coming from a guy who has never conducted a real investigation. mr. clark responded by saying that he's been involved in very significant environmental law briefing before various courts
and this other guy at least might do something. richard donoghue: it was basically jeff clark advocating for the leadership change and everyone else advocating against it. it was a very blunt contentious conversation. herschmann and i were on the same level of being the street fighters of the meeting. eric herschmann: when he finished discussing what he planned on doing, i said good fucking-- excuse me, sorry-- a-hole. congratulations, you just admitted a first step or act you take as attorney general would be committing a felony and violating rule six you're clearly the right candidate for this job. jake tapper: 49 37 white house counsel pat cipollone was vehemently against the plan as well. richard donoghue: he referred to the letter that jeff clark had submitted as a murder suicide pact that no one should have anything to do with it. i had basically made the point to the president that jeff clark was not even qualified to be the attorney general. he's promising you he's going to conduct these very complex nationwide investigations in record time, and this is coming from a guy who has never conducted
jeff clark advocating for the leadership change and everyone else advocating against it. it was a very blunt, contentious conversation. hirschman and i were on the same level of beings or the street fighters of the meeting. >> when he finished discussing what he planned on doing, i said, -- congratulations, you just committed a first step or two attorney general be committing a felony or bilingual 60. cleary are not the right candidate for this job. >> white house counsel pat cipollone was vehemently against the plan as well. >> he referred that with jeff clark admitted as a murder suicide pact, that no one had should have anything to do with it. i basically made the point that jeff clark was either qualified to be the attorney general. he is promising you a good complexity very nationwide investigations in a record time, and is coming from a guy had never conducted a real investigation. esther clark responded by saying that he had been involved in very significant
the plan as well. >> he refer today the letter that jeff clark had submitted as a murder-suicide pact that no one should have anything to do with it. i had basically made the point to the president jeff clark was not even qualified to be the attorney general. he's promising you if he's going to conduct these very complex nationwide investigations in record time, and this is coming from a guy who's never conducted a real investigation. mr. clark responded by saying that he's been involved in very significant environmental law briefing before various courts. and that reminded me that, yes, in fact, you're primarily an environmental lawyer. how about you go back to your office and we'll call you when there's an oil spill. >> donohue also informed president trump that upon clark's appointment, justice department leaders would resign en masse. >> the president turned to me and said, steve, you wouldn't leave, would you? i said, mr. president, i've been with you through four attorneys general including two acting attorneys general, but i couldn't be part of this. >> finally persuaded, trump decided against the idea. when clark was subpoenaed by the january 6th committee earlier
dramatic white house showdown on january 3rd, 2021. >> this was a scene straight out of aprentiss. he has them vy for the job of attorney general of the united states. and the president is told that if he replaces rosen with clark, there will be huge consequences. a number of top officials at the justice department would resign. there were probably going to be hundreds of other resignations, political appointees across the country as a result of this. it was a murder-suicide pact, is the way this was described during this meeting. >> trump decided that the effort would not be worth the embarrassment of mass resignations and abandoned the plot. he then pinned his hopes to overturn the election on mike
for the job of attorney general of the united states. and the president is told that if he replaces rosen with clark, there are going to be huge consequences. a number of top officials at the justice department were going to resign. there were probably going to be hundreds of other resignations of political appointees across the country as a result of this. it was a murder-suicide pact was the way this was described during this meeting. >> trump decided that the effort would not be earth the embarrassment of mass resignations and abandoned the p plot. he then pinned his hopes to overturn the election on mike pence based on a legal memo written by conservative attorney john eastman. let's talk about the he sayman memo. what was your reaction when you first heard about it? >> just breathtaking that --
somehow add confusion and another pretext for the other plots, to ultimately hijack the january 6th certification. that's why trump tried to install his own political hack at doj who would issue fraudulent announcements claiming there were election problems. it was another pretext. remember, trump's own republican appointees who replaced bill barr who were leading doj wouldn't go along with that. he explored installing the now-indicted doj plant jeffrey clark. mass resignations would set his coup plan backward, something detailed in january 6th committee hearings. >> cipollone said, this is a murder/suicide pact. >> i resigned immediately. the president turned to mr. engel," steve, you wouldn't resign, would you?" he said, "absolutely, i would, mr. president." you have hundreds and hundreds of resignations of the leadership of your entire justice department, jeff clark would be left leading a graveyard. >> a graveyard warning.
scheme. three days before the election, he floated the idea of installing a loyalist, jeffrey clark, as attorney general. it was a monumental showdown, evoking memory of nixon's saturday night massacre. donahue and others threatened to resign. >> pat cipollone said, this is a murder suicide pact. >> i'm going resign immediately. the president turned to mr. engle and said, steving you wouldn't resign, would you? he said, absolutely president. you would have hundreds and hundreds of the resignation of your leadership. jeff clark would be left leading a graveyard. >> trump eventually backed down, and he didn't install his loyal crony, mr. clark. but clark ended up being the recipient of a search warrant on his home last year, a very clear sign of prosecutors' interest. also today, new details on
this other guy might do something. >> it was a very blunt, contentious conversation. hershman and i were on the same level of being the sort of street fighters of the meeting. >> when he finished discussing what he planned on doing, i said good -- excuse me, f-ing deal. you're clearly the right candidate for this job. >> white counsel pat cipollone was vehemently against the plan as well. >> he refer today the letter that jeff clark had submitted as a murder-suicide pact that no one should have anything to do with it. i had basically made the point to the president jeff clark was not even qualified to be the attorney general. he's promising you if he's going to conduct these very complex nationwide investigations in record time, and this is coming from a guy who's never conducted a real investigation, mr. clark responded by saying he's been