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In a similar boat and some of the trump era policies. >> it does seem though that donald trump is not going to be the most conservative candidate in the race. rhonda santas -- and mike pence's to his right on many issues, even more to the right of ron desantis when it comes to more traditional republican policies. >> none of them are donald trump and right now that is what the republican base wants. they are, i mean, the difference in the numbers, 29, 30 points? he's leading by? with all of the baggage of january 6th. with all of the indictments. >> and some pending. >> and some banding. by th...

In. >> he's certainly trying and so is his wife. and we're seeing all of the candidates trying in iowa, there are two things to remember their important. one is that it is a caucus state. it is not a primary. we're talking about polling. what the general republican base wants. would turns out for a caucus is even more specific and concentrated than who turns out for a primary election. and the other is that evangelical voters historically have been so pivotal in iowa. two-thirds of the turnout almost last time out. >> and you mentioned casey desantis. there is a lot of talk from both of them a...

Think one of the reasons why, even after the twitter launch, i thought that ron desantis had a chance to catch up with donald trump is there's something else about him. you hear him talk and, again, yes, there's a lot of virtue signaling. he looks at the polls, sees what the most hard core part of the base wants, and he gives them that. he also can -- i mean, this sounds simple, but i can tell you for an exhausted republican party that's had to deal with donald trump, he can speak in complete sentences. he's articulate. he can string -- >> it's a contrast. >> right. -- sentences, paragraphs to...

>> big feelings there, buddy. take a breath. he is right. the quasi-fascists -- is with the republican base wants. this is what trumpism is all about. yes, let's count -- how this is turning it into reality. starting with that example. the feud with business -- disney. since the 1960s, disney has had special privileges in florida. which gives the company full control over the part of the state that contains the theme park, while disney world. desantis is now working to remove that special status for disney. a movie expert say can cause florida taxpayers up to a billion dollars. to be clear on ...

Party. the washington post reporting that 108 republican primary winners have embraced trump's false claims of election fraud. so, let's discuss. and bring in michael steele, former chair of the republican national committee and former lieutenant governor the great state of maryland and democratic strategist, my dear friend, lis smith, we've not seen here in a while. she's been the z writing her new book, any given tuesday, a political love story. it's coming out july 19th. mr. steele, at this point, anyone inside and outside the trump administration full well knew he was lying. he knew he los...