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We hear all the time people say, there's a lot of things i don't like about the president, but the economic picture is good for me. if the economy holds, sam zelle said it earlier this week, he does not see a recession before 2020. if the economy holds, can that carry president trump through the election? >> it is the thing that trump is going to run on. absolutely. we know that he is signaling that. it gives people who want to support him something to hang their hat on. we heard this in 2016. even people who were rolling their eyes but holding their nose and voting for him saying, well, he is...

Since he's arrived, all of the weaknesses, all the structural weaknesses of the trump white house are, if anything, more clear. >> everything jonathan said is true. but also donald trump has too things going or him that he's counting on. number one, he has succeeded in getting a large portion of the population to distrust the news media. he has immunized himself against a lot of this reporting and he's going to continue doing that to dee legitimatize the fact. number one. number two, he has a base that frankly does not care whether the president lies. they don't care whether he was having a --...

Other conservative candidate. in this case it's herman cain. to me it shows we're still seeing the problems mitt romney still has in united the conservative base. >> yeah. but i think this is his strategy. saying the same message over and over and watches everybody else fall over themselves and trip and make mistakes. not getting better for him, but also not getting worse. i think he's like -- to borrow another phrase, stay the course. >> it is interesting to see both the post and the times today writing the strategy of i'll beat the guy you don't hate the most. dee dee you have a unique exper...