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Against paul manafort. gates and manafort both pleaded not guilty back in october to a number of charges, including money laundering. trump attorney ty cobb failed to comment on today's charges against this lawyer van der zwaan, saying it is not related in any way to the white house. with us for more tonight, julia ainsley is in new york, nbc news national security and justice reporter. and former u.s. attorney joyce vance is back with us. she spent 25 years as a federal prosecutor. okay, julie, you get to take the big swing at the first question here, and that is significance of what happened...

She spent 25 years as a federal prosecutor. okay, julie, you get to take the big swing at the first question here, and that is significance of what happened today. this guy and why we're about to hear the name skadden arps more. >> those are great questions. significance for today, most reporters in washington said this is a name we haven't heard before. we must just be looking at the tip of the iceberg. >> it wasn't in one of your baseball cards you follow? >> i wish i could tell you it was, brian, but it really wasn't. it seems we're following a tangent from a tangent. we know this person, a...

With him or against him. if you're against him, he'll come at you. >> one other piece of this i liked as well as the legislative director has taken to making baseball cards of members of congress, essentially handing him like -- >> to milwaukake policy more pe because the president likes personalities and can understand personalities and it just seems to be -- the people in the white house who have found a way to get to the president and those who can bend their way of doing things to trump rather than thinking trump is going to pend on them. >> katty kay, thank you for being with us tonight. ...

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